The use of Macros/auto command settings, is there a limit to it? - Guild Wars Forums

Alexandra-Sweet · Sep 21, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Today I went to the PlayNC Support site to see if they updated anything. In the help section I came across the topic: Healthy Gaming.

PlayNC claims that you should avoid repetitive actions.

PlayNC:
Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game, but can save you relentlessly hitting a combination of keys (and can also give you the edge when it comes to combat).

What's considered Healthy, and what's considered botting?

Chicken Ftw · Sep 21, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

Today I went to the PlayNC Support site to see if they updated anything. In the help section I came across the topic: Healthy Gaming.

PlayNC claims that you should avoid repetitive actions.

Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o

Alexandra-Sweet · Sep 21, 2007, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o

I think Guild Wars is 100% against that guideline of PlayNC, just look at how titles are obtained.

Stormlord Alex · Sep 21, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o

This post is full of win.
Chicken, my hat goes off to you, sir!

Firebaall · Sep 21, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I'm sure that macros, and keybinds are all ok to use.

However, once they get into the level of complexity or automation that doesn't require you to be in front of the computer to operate, then it's a "bot".

If you can leave the computer while having the macro or keybind operate the game in your absence, you're botting.

If you are required to be in front of the computer in order for a macro, or keybind to function, you are not.

You can't see me · Sep 21, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

0.o I thought GW disallowed Third Party Programs period.

Oh well. Still, I wouldn't use them unless you personally created them for risk of downloading harmful material.

Crowell The Fallen · Sep 21, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

PlayNC:
Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game, but can save you relentlessly hitting a combination of keys (and can also give you the edge when it comes to combat).

Wow. Just wow. Macros? Shit, isnt that pretty much the same as botting? lol.
I could make a macro that farmed for me, through a combination of well timed key combinations... however, that would be considered a bot.

I think they should define a few things a little better, because if i had tunnel vision i would go off right now, make a nice cute little 'macro', hit my super key combination to active the macro, and away i go!

Slap in the face when they ban for using a 'bot'. >.>

BlackSephir · Sep 21, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o

Here goes my R5 with Norn... Good thing I managed to get R5 in Ebon Vanguard earlier.

Nemo the Capitalist · Sep 21, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

O_O chicken ftw

DarkFlame · Sep 21, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game,

Vary by game is the key term. NCSoft(and by extension PlayNC) owns a operates a number of games, of which GW is just one. So what applies to those other games, would end up getting you banned on GW.

=DNC=Trucker · Sep 21, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

a macro that types "/stuck" would probably be OK

I need this but am way too afraid to use any 3rd party program to macro this

Alexandra-Sweet · Sep 21, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by DarkFlame

Vary by game is the key term. NCSoft(and by extension PlayNC) owns a operates a number of games, of which GW is just one. So what applies to those other games, would end up getting you banned on GW.

But what applies to Guild Wars? Thats where this thread is for, to discuss what's acceptable and not.

immortius · Sep 21, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Rules of Conduct

22. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

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Originally Posted by EULA

You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

That's the official rules.

rohara · Sep 22, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

seems to me like the legalese is only there to fall back on when banning farmbots or people who are just "up to no good".

seeing as they sell gw zboards...which come preprogrammed with macros for gw.

i myself have a logitech g15 gaming keyboard, which can't be installed without installing the macro editor/enabler with it. its part of the package.

looks like macros are ok to use, as long as you don't use them to replace yourself at the computer.

Firebaall · Sep 22, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Looks like folks are here are having problems understanding the spirit of the Rules of Conduct or EULA.

If you are using a Macro, or keybind ask yourself one thing:

"Do I need to be in front of the computer when I use the macro/keybind for it to do what I want?"

If the answer is "yes", you're fine. If the answer is "no", then you're botting. It's pretty darn clear.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 22, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

I use macros for quick emotes and for a quick getaway when using a survivor character. I doubt it inconveniences anyone.

Firebaall · Sep 22, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Oh, you are so banned!

big papi · Sep 22, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

macros ftw

i personally don't see the harm in them

Roshi_ikkyu · Sep 22, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by rohara

seems to me like the legalese is only there to fall back on when banning farmbots or people who are just "up to no good".

seeing as they sell gw zboards...which come preprogrammed with macros for gw.

i myself have a logitech g15 gaming keyboard, which can't be installed without installing the macro editor/enabler with it. its part of the package.

looks like macros are ok to use, as long as you don't use them to replace yourself at the computer.

Correct, I also remember a post at ign or someother fanforums about gaile mentioning if you at your key board to activate the G15 keys, its considered ok. Plus to programme a G15 to do bot activties take amzaing skills, boredom, and every instance to be exactly the same.

but it is awesome for having a key assigned to do the emotes

Sep 21, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47	#1
Alexandra-Sweet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: That one place with the trees, mountains and snow Guild: Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP] Profession: Me/	The use of Macros/auto command settings, is there a limit to it? Today I went to the PlayNC Support site to see if they updated anything. In the help section I came across the topic: Healthy Gaming. PlayNC claims that you should avoid repetitive actions. PlayNC: Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game, but can save you relentlessly hitting a combination of keys (and can also give you the edge when it comes to combat). What's considered Healthy, and what's considered botting?

Sep 21, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#5
Firebaall Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006	I'm sure that macros, and keybinds are all ok to use. However, once they get into the level of complexity or automation that doesn't require you to be in front of the computer to operate, then it's a "bot". If you can leave the computer while having the macro or keybind operate the game in your absence, you're botting. If you are required to be in front of the computer in order for a macro, or keybind to function, you are not.

Sep 21, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12	#6
You can't see me Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Profession: P/W	0.o I thought GW disallowed Third Party Programs period. Oh well. Still, I wouldn't use them unless you personally created them for risk of downloading harmful material.

Sep 21, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23	#9
Nemo the Capitalist Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair Guild: Zaishen Brotherhood Profession: N/Me	O_O chicken ftw

Sep 21, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08	#11
=DNC=Trucker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: TLA Profession: Me/	a macro that types "/stuck" would probably be OK I need this but am way too afraid to use any 3rd party program to macro this

Sep 22, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06	#14
rohara Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: Rt/	seems to me like the legalese is only there to fall back on when banning farmbots or people who are just "up to no good". seeing as they sell gw zboards...which come preprogrammed with macros for gw. i myself have a logitech g15 gaming keyboard, which can't be installed without installing the macro editor/enabler with it. its part of the package. looks like macros are ok to use, as long as you don't use them to replace yourself at the computer.

Sep 22, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45	#15
Firebaall Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006	Looks like folks are here are having problems understanding the spirit of the Rules of Conduct or EULA. If you are using a Macro, or keybind ask yourself one thing: "Do I need to be in front of the computer when I use the macro/keybind for it to do what I want?" If the answer is "yes", you're fine. If the answer is "no", then you're botting. It's pretty darn clear.

Sep 22, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#16
Zahr Dalsk Grotto Attendant Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Canada	I use macros for quick emotes and for a quick getaway when using a survivor character. I doubt it inconveniences anyone.

Sep 22, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32	#17
Firebaall Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006	Oh, you are so banned!

Sep 22, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43	#18
big papi Town Dweller Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: on the LOST island Guild: [SMS]	macros ftw i personally don't see the harm in them